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19 May 2005 @ 08:25 pm
Once More With Spoilers  


What was with the Death Star appearing at the end of the movie? That is soooooooo lame! There are nineteen more years before Star Wars takes place (in which the Death Star becomes operational.) I've heard about project overruns, but that is just a bit too much of a suspension of disbelief.

Thank you, George, for messing with your own continuity. I know you've done it before, but that doesn't piss me off any less now. In Jedi Leia says she remembers her real mother, who "always seemed sad". I guess the reason she always seemed sad was because she was DEAD AND BURRIED. Rotting corpses probably do seem sad. (Or icky... Yes, definitely icky.)

Anakin was clearly dropped on his head too many times as a child. "The Jedi are bad. I trust you, Senator Palpatine. Oh, wait, you're the Sith Lord we've been looking for. Ooops. Lemme go tell on you. No, wait. I want your help in making sure that my (secret) wife doesn't die. Right. I'll pretend that I completely forgot all about that being an evil Sith Lord thing and accuse you of trying to do bad things to the guy who you are trying to electrocute you. And then I will have a hissy-cow when you try to kill him in a manner remarkably similar to someone I killed earlier on -- only, whoops, I seem to have conveniently forgotten about that as well. Oh well, it really didn't bother me because I'm supposed to turn evil this movie anyway." The characterization was too erratic.

Speaking of charactarization, Padme lost her character somewhere along the way. Oh well, so much for all modern movies needing to have a strong female character. I guess little baby Leia was sucking all the "gutsy woman" out of Padme. Dying of a "broken heart" was perfectly in character for the new and even more cardboard Padme.

I thought it dumb the way that just after giving birth Padme suddenly knew what she was going to name both of the kids. Up until giving birth she didn't know that she needed two names. It was just a little overly convenient.

And why is it that someone can get both their legs and an arm chopped off, along with catching on fire and be saved to have a reasonably normal, functional life and yet childbirth is something horribly life-threatening? I mean, where I live giving birth is not considered to be particularly dangerous. And yet somehow in the high-tech world of the Old Republic is it something to be feared. Am I missing something here? (Other than my suspension of disbelief?)

I appreciated that Jar-Jar had no speaking lines. Apparently Lucas has been convinced of the error of his ways.



Episode III is inspiring me to hook the LD player back up. I wanna go back and re-watch things that remind me of why Star Wars was just the coolest thing since Wonder Bread.
 
 
 
puddlemizutamari on May 20th, 2005 04:33 am (UTC)
THANK YOU GOD!!!! I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WHO CAUGHT THE MOTHER REFERENCE!!!!! Mel! I love you for your attention to detail! I caught that too, and I'm like, "HELLLOOOOO?! She said her mother died when she was very young! Not during CHILDBIRTH! Gee, I guess Leia bonded really fucking quick there!"
Sandpanthersandpanther on May 20th, 2005 05:01 pm (UTC)

So anyway, yeah, the movie had its problems. I still liked it, though. But I hope I'm not seeming too apologetic for it here.


Mysterious Force powers. *nodnod*

I keep wondering why Lucas keeps making these stupid continuity glitches. He's got several companies full of worshipful, drooling Star Wars fans. It really wouldn't be too hard to find one to do continuity checks. So I have to assume that either he doesn't care to put in the effort to check his own continuity, or he doesn't care to fix the continuity problems he is putting in his own series. Either way, I have a hard time excusing him for it. If even he doesn't want to take his work seriously, why should I?

I love you for your attention to detail!

Hey, it's me!
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Sandpanthersandpanther on May 20th, 2005 04:45 pm (UTC)
And just why is the green jedi chick the only one wearing a bikini top instead of Jedi robes?

Yeah, I remember seeing her and thinking "who the heck is she (wasn't she the chick they showed earlier in a slinky white dress that the camera lingered on for, like, forever?) Oh, wait, she's got a lightsaber and everyone's trying to kill her. I guess she must be a Jedi, and not some random slave-girl."

Was it just me, or by the end was it just a totally WASP movie? The female characters were all either missing or their spines were, and all minorities had vanished as well. So much for trying to be PC.

BTW, cirdan and I are planning to be up for memorial day weekend.

Yay! That weekend is Fanime, so I'll be at the con working a bunch. But I usually work the morning shift, so I'm sure we can find some time to get together. I'll keep you in the loop as I know more about my schedule. (I should know something tomorrow, I think.) I'll hook up the LD player and haul out the Listerine.
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Sandpanthersandpanther on May 20th, 2005 11:12 pm (UTC)
I think after all this disappointment with the prequels, "A New Hope" rings all too true, but not in the way Lucas intended...

You are not wrong. The parts of the movie that I liked the best were the ones that reminded me more and more of the original trilogy, and showed that we were getting closer. "At last," I thought more than once. "We are getting closer to Things That Did Not Suck."

I'm commuting the con, so I'll be leaving the nighttime festivities anyway. I could just leave a little earlier. I'll pencil yall in for Sunday, and will give a call if that looks like it won't work out.
Chad Rosenbergabditus on May 20th, 2005 06:20 am (UTC)
The points you brought up didn't bother me as much...

19 years to build the first death star seems quite reasonable the first time an engineering project of that magnitude. I was under the impression from the original series that nothing like that had ever been attempted before. So new infrastructure would have to be created just to support and run a project of that size. They weren't clear when Palpatine came up with the idea of a death star and when was that he handed off the specs to the designers, but I suspect, given his rather rapid rise to power, that the idea hadn't been around for relatively long. They were probably making a good portion of it up as they went along, which probably resulted in plenty of problems and abandoned ideas. Plus, it seems the whole thing was being built in secret from the other systems at first. By the time they started building the second one they would have already known exactly what they were doing, they probably had all the necessary infrastructure still available, and the empire would have had enough power over the systems that it would no longer need to be a secret so more labor could be "employed".

I just took it that Anakin was emotionally not quite right from the beginning. I found myself more forgiving of his actions when he thought what he as doing was for the good of the Senate, including saving Palpatine's life to be put on trial (regardless of how week that argument might have been even in his own mind).

Yeah, Padme completely lost her edge in this movie. But I chalked it up to her world falling apart and that her husband turned out to be a murdering f-head and tried to kill her while she was pregnant. But as far as her surviving vs Anikin: well my bet's on the über Jedi over his otherwise normal wife. *shrug* Though, I did expect more than her dying of "nothing being medically wrong with her" (or however they phrased it). Yuck.

When Padme was able to immediately name Leia I thought it was because she had already had names chosen for either gender... Luke/Leia. If she actually knew what gender of her child was going to be then she would have had to have known that she was going to have twins.

I completely forgot about Leia's description of her mother. Good catch. I guess it's time to go back and watch the old series again.

So anyway, yeah, the movie had its problems. I still liked it, though. But I hope I'm not seeming too apologetic for it here.
Sandpanthersandpanther on May 20th, 2005 04:58 pm (UTC)
19 years to build the first death star seems quite reasonable the first time an engineering project of that magnitude.

I would accept that arguement, except that the way the movie presented the time-line it seemed to be right around the time when the kids were born and Darth Vader got put back together -- and they had a chunk of the infrastructure built. Planning phase? Who needs it? I would step in and say that scene took place several years later. But, oh, wait, *after* that we see Obi-wan showing up on Tatooine with little baby Luke. Either Obi-wan decided to take the scenic route to Tatooine (and put the kid in suspended animation), or there really isn't a lot of time between the fall of the Jedi and the start of the Death Star construction. So, well, darn. Now I'm going to have to chalk it up to a cutesy attempt to connect this movie to the ones that come after that is completely impossilbe from a logical viewpoint.



So anyway, yeah, the movie had its problems. I still liked it, though. But I hope I'm not seeming too apologetic for it here.


I have no problem with other people liking the film. I'm a little jealous that they can get past all the problems with the film to honestly be able to enjoy it, since it is the last Star Wars film. But for me, no, it didn't work.
Not all those who wander are lost.mizzykitty on May 24th, 2005 03:20 am (UTC)
thank you for mentioning the erratic descent into madness. usually people get gradually more evil as darkness pulls them, but apparently not Anakin. he just bounces back and forth for awhile and then bursts into flames, the end.

as for continuity...you think Lucas actually watches his own films? maybe he doesn't...that would explain a LOT.